Electric Bus and Government Fleets

The government should mandate that all new fleet cars and new public transport vehicles (buses) should be electic.  

This is happening in other jurisdictions- for example California has mandated that by 2029 all city buses must be electric.

 

Why the contribution is important

Reduced air polution.  Potentially cheaper overall ownership costs over the life of the vehicle.  Provides support for these nacent industries.  Will provide a 2nd hand market in 5 years time for private buyers that cannot afford to buy new.

The Jersey Post postman I've talked to are very happy with their electric vehicles.  How nice to not breath diesel fumes from your delivery car all day.

by ozzyjon on February 03, 2021 at 02:33PM

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  • Posted by PirateZebedee February 03, 2021 at 19:43

    I did notice a parking control electric car the other day
  • Posted by Shanti February 03, 2021 at 21:51

    We are well on the way of having electric cars / vans for public services. Electric buses should definitely be added to that.
  • Posted by Tom_Bull February 04, 2021 at 09:08

    Electric vehicles are very good when they are small, but the electric load on larger vehicles become problematic with current technology. Jersey has the ability NOW to change all diesel engines directly to a biofuel which is on island and sold by Rubis I believe. The trouble is it is more expensive.
    The difference in cost is about the same as the amount of tax added on to Diesel.
    So if the Government were serious about becoming Carbon Neutral, the tax could be waived and the biofuel used across the island at no extra cost to users. Think of all the carbon credits that would save the government buying.
    Perhaps the loss in tax would counterbalance the reduction in spending on Carbon credits.
    This won't happen until 2030 however as that I assume is when we need to do this.
  • Posted by ozzyjon February 04, 2021 at 10:45

    In reply to Tom Bull

    The earth is also tackling a biodiversity crisis and Bio Fuels is are very land intensive, better to create zero emission electricity in my opinion.
  • Posted by Nigelblandin February 05, 2021 at 07:21

    The sustainable diesel available is called HVO and branded RD100 by Rubis. It is made from waste from food production and waste vegetable oils so is not a land intensive fuel like old biofuels. It contributes to a 90% reduction in CO2e pollutants compared to fossil fuels.
    It is available and being used in the island.
    Larger scale electric vehicles are technically available, but we cannot get them in the sizes used in Jersey for several years yet as the manufacturers are concentrating on volume orders to get back their vast investments, which is understandable.
    Sustainable diesel is the short to mid term stepping stone until we can get suitable busses and trucks for the island and allows us to use current vehicles to the end of their normal lifecycle, which is the sustainable solution.
    Possibly within the next 5-7 years we will have accepted electricity for smaller vehicles ( up to 3.5 tonnes) and could be using hydrogen fuel cells in larger trucks, busses and plant. There is a lot of interesting work going on with larger vehicles and hydrogen which looks promising.
    Hydrogen is interesting as the storage of enough energy to power large equipment is key. The bigger the battery, the less people or payload you can carry. Hydrogen allows refuelling like we have now so you only carry the fuel you need to use, the fuel tank( battery on a normal ev) is the restricting factor.
    We can even make hydrogen here in the island with renewable energy...
  • Posted by TheResearcher February 07, 2021 at 21:40

    HVO is just another oil producers con to keep polluting fossil fuel engines on the road longer than the world needs them. It is still polluting the planet and it's still polluting the air we have to breathe every day.

    Jersey is so far behind on electric transport. People complain about the emissions China produces, but it is way ahead of Jersey with electrified public transport.

    "China leads the world in deployment of electric vehicles. At the end of June 2019, almost half the electric cars and 99% of the electric buses in the world were in China. China also dominates global markets for low-speed electric vehicles and electric two-wheelers."
    https://chineseclimatepolic[…]ia.edu/en/electric-vehicles

    I suggest watching "The City with 16,000 Electric Buses & 22,000 Electric Taxis" to see what CAN be done, if the authorities have the courage to make the important decision that need to be made, if they are to reach the CO2 target they themselves set, and also to give us all the clean air to breathe that we all deserve.

    Watch "The City with 16,000 Electric Buses & 22,000 Electric Taxis
    https://youtu.be/0P7fTPLSMeI
  • Posted by brendlynch February 08, 2021 at 14:48

    Larger scale electric vehicles are technically available, but we cannot get them in the sizes used in Jersey for several years yet as the manufacturers are concentrating on volume orders to get back their vast investments, which is understandable.

    This is not technically correct.

    All the main manufacturers sell electric versions which are the same size as the double deckers that we have on island.

    Optare, ADL, BYD and Wrightbus sell electric midi buses that are of an equivalent size to the ones operating in Jersey.
  • Posted by TheResearcher March 03, 2021 at 18:23

    This is worth watching, and passing around.

    The Dirty Truth about Combustion Engine Vehicles | An 'Open Source' Animation

    Fully Charged Show

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-LnUYEXuM
  • Posted by TheResearcher March 07, 2021 at 11:06

    Another country that shows it's commitment to climate reduction with meaningful action.

    Canada announces $2.75 billion investment in zero-emissions buses and charging infrastructure

    https://electrek.co/[…]/
  • Posted by Shanti March 07, 2021 at 16:11

    That is amazing!!! I feel the problem with Jersey is that often funds of available money are wrongly prioritised . Money is spent on things which we actually don’t need at this time.
  • Posted by TheResearcher March 15, 2021 at 16:24

    Meanwhile, the UK isn't sitting around talking about it, they are doing it.

    Boris Johnson unveils £3bn bus revolution in ‘act of levelling up’

    Buses will be more frequent, cheaper, greener and easier to use thanks to a £3 billion revolution, the Government has said.

    The Government is promising to deliver 4,000 new British-built electric or hydrogen buses, transition cities and regions across England to emission-free buses, and safeguard the UK bus manufacturing industry.

    It is pledging to end sales of new diesel buses, and has launched a consultation on the end date.

    https://www.lep.co.uk/news/[…]act-of-levelling-up-3165933
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